Eli Soriano Not Fugitive from Justice: Two Courts Deny Motions

By Jane Abao

Manila, Philippines (10/22/2014) – Two courts refused to declare an international evangelist a “fugitive from justice” as sought by his enemies, particularly those he had been criticizing for their false beliefs and practices. This means the preacher is still far advanced over his enemies trying hard to see him dead.

BRO. ELI SORIANO. Keeping quiet when he sees something wrong is not his cup of tea. Photo by Sweetwasabe.

As court records would show, Bro. Eliseo Soriano was accused of libel twice for which complainants sought the courts to declare him fugitive from justice but failed to get a favorable ruling.

The preacher who is referred to simply as “Bro. Eli” by his constituents, is the Presiding Minister of the Members Church of God International (MCGI) or Ang Dating Daan as known by the public for its flagship radio-TV program.  By practice, the preacher readily exposes false practices in his effort to preach truth from the Bible. He does this particularly through his Bible Expositions or in his preaching to the congregation. The result is sometimes vehement reaction from those who prefer to remain as they are, in terms of filing court cases aside from libel.

The preacher left the country sometime in December 2005 after a series of attacks from the Iglesia ni Cristo (INC) in the form of court cases and a raid of the ADD Convention Center in Apalit, Pampanga, north of Manila where Bro. Eli held office.

The complainants in Criminal Case 5957 (For Libel) at the Regional Trial Court, Fourth Judicial Region, Branch 76 of San Mateo Rizal, Philippines sought a motion to declare accused Eliseo Soriano a fugitive from justice and to issue a hold departure against him.

However, in a decision signed by Judge Josephine Zarate Fernandez on August 31, 2007, the motion was denied. Soriano’s counsel had underscored that his client is under intense persecution by the INC, explaining his failure to return to the country.

Despite a court denial, in 2007, two years later, the complainants in Criminal Case 06-248365 (For Libel) at the Regional Trial Court, National Capital Region, Branch 8, Manila also sought a motion to declare accused Eliseo Soriano a fugitive from justice. The court this time took pains to explain the meaning of “fugitive from justice” as one already “convicted by final judgment.” Until proven guilty, an accused is considered innocent.

In a decision penned by Presiding Judge Felixberto T. Olalia, Jr. on December 15, 2009, in the absence of evidences to support accusations, the court said the accused cannot be declared a “fugitive from justice,” thereby the motion was denied. Among others, the decision said the prosecution admitted that the accused left the country before the filing of the case (September 5, 2006), therefore the intent to evade prosecution is not present.

Incidentally, the first Libel case (Criminal Case 5957) was dismissed seven years after it was filed. In an eight-page decision penned by Josephine Zarate Fernandez, Presiding Judge of the Regional Trial Court, Fourth Judicial Region, Branch 76 of San Mateo Rizal, TV Broadcaster Eliseo F. Soriano was acquitted of the charge of libel. The order signed on January 14, 2014 said that malice was not proven beyond reasonable doubt.

According to Law, malice is one of the four elements of libel that must be sufficiently satisfied for the case to succeed. The three others include: the allegation of a discreditable act or condition concerning another, publication of the charge, identity of the person defamed, and existence of malice. The absence of anyone of these elements will not make the case prosper.

The private complainant was a Dr. Nancy Pascua represented by her counsels Atty. Abraham Espejo and Atty. Rodel Morta. Pascua was found vilifying Bro. Eli to her peer doctors who happened to be members of the MCGI that Bro. Eli led. The decision records that at that moment, Pascua was with Bernardo Santiago and his wife, both excommunicated members of the MCGI who were admitted to the INC. For background, Santiago’s wife Yolanda, legally belonged to another MCGI brother for which reason (adultery) Santiago was expelled. Bernardo Santiago is now an INC minister.

Bro. Eli reportedly reacted to the attempt at disinformation: “Baka quack doctor yon kaya galit sa akin,” (She may be a quack and that is why she’s mad at me). It was on this basis that Pascua filed a libel case. The preacher’s statement, however, was reportedly meant to underscore that a true doctor does not inflict pain on people – be it physical, mental or psychological. This case was dismissed including the earlier attempt to declare Bro. Eli a fugitive from justice.

The other case (Criminal Case 06-248365 – For Libel) that failed to get its motion to declare the preacher as fugitive from justice, was archived. According to the camp of Bro. Eli, INC Ministers named Michael Sandoval and Ramil Parba incited Muslim suicide bombers to run after Soriano to avenge the criticisms of the preacher about their beliefs and raid the ADD Convention Center. Here’s an excerpt from their exchanges on television:

Ramil Parba: Hindi ako papayag niyan! Kung ako ngayon ay miyembro ng Abu Sayaff? Miyembro ako ng MILF? Halimbawa, miyembro ako ng Suicide Bombers? Naku! Hindi ako papayag na basta ganun lang yan!  (I would not allow that! If I were a member now of the Abu Sayaff? Member of the MILF? For example, I were a member of the Suicide Bombers? Oh, no! I would not take things just like that!

Michael Sandoval: Lulusob ako sa Apalit. (I would raid Apalit).

The ministers openly did this through Net25 in their program, Ang Tamang Daan.

This went with the filing of a libel case by Muslims against the preacher in 2006 but which was archived after all these years.

These court cases relieving Bro. Eli were not publicized earlier by the MCGI such that enemies capitalized on rumors being perpetuated by his enemies that he is running away from the strong arm of the law. Recently, a disinformer went as far as writing to the editor of a publication in the United Kingdom  named Planet demanding to know why a ‘fugitive from justice” is allowed to advertise his activities instead of being reported to authorities. The MCGI thought it is high time the public should know about these two court decisions.

To Bro. Eli’s camp, the only group that is gaining from this syndrome inflicting injuries on the preacher is the Iglesia ni Cristo. Soriano happens to be the most severe critic of this group.

The “INC Syndrome” to the MCGI is actually a package that includes the following: 1) Excommunication in the MCGI means the person is not anymore acceptable due to filthy living and/or continuing violations of doctrine. But Church members excommunicated from MCGI are readily admitted into the INC after which they are made complainants or witnesses in court cases filed against Bro. Eli; 2) Court cases rain on Bro. Eli running the gamut of libel, obstruction to justice, murder, rape; 3) Net25 is used by the INC ministers to incite Muslims to run after Bro. Eli to avenge his criticisms of Muslim beliefs;

-4) Several broadcast programs of Bro. Eli  or he and his co-anchors get suspended with time or indefinite time by the Movie and Television Review and Classification Board (MTRCB); 5) Rape case filed against Bro. Eli by an excommunicated Church member that went to the INC gets dismissed for lack of evidence; the Department of Justice under the Office of the President of the Land intervenes, gets the case elevated to them and then refiled;

-6) Bro. Eli is forced to leave the country late 2005;  7) Net25 is used by the INC ministers welcoming back Bro. Eli home with the free services of Amurao Funeral Homes, Amurao, being their “kapatid.”

-8) Interpol is attempted initially to locate Bro. Eli as Wanted for “sex crimes” which scope is not even covered by the concerns of the international body; 9) Motion to declare Bro. Eli a Fugitive from Justice is filed in two courts; and

-10) Disinformation campaign from the Internet extends to foreign media.

In each of these, Bro. Eli believes the The Almighty he serves has been saving him. Advertisements welcoming people to listen to his Bible Expositions are a part of normal routine. The fact that he advertises himself belies the claim that he is in hiding, the MCGI explained. Secondly, he preaches to the world via satellite and could be located if he is really wanted. The disinformer exerting influence on foreign media had not considered that advertising oneself and preaching openly could hardly be the behavior of a fugitive from justice.

Despite the continued disinformation, instead of seeing Bro. Eli banished from the face of the earth as desired by his enemies, all the more he has widened his base for preaching. When he speaks in Bible Expositions, all six continents are linked to his base. From statistics, the MCGI has tremendously grown over the last seven years since Bro. Eli set base in South America.

When asked about images, tithing, practices that are not espoused by the Bible, Bro. Eli continues to irk religious leaders with his answers. But it is part of his role as Truthcaster, preaching the Bible whole, the preacher claims.

What did the INC not want the world to hear from Bro. Eli as broadcaster? For one, the preacher underscores the devious effect of the Iglesia ni Cristo Command Votes practice that is actively influencing politics in the country. Public knowledge reveals that the members are commanded to elect certain candidates – be it someone judged to be unworthy for the elected position. Failure to do so would  merit sanctions. After the elections, the INC would recommend their people to sensitive positions as forms of payback. The devious effect can be said to have filtered into the justice system of the country by way of these Command Votes for the President of the Land and other national elective positions. [Read this book for more on the justice system: Shadow of Doubt: Probing the Supreme Court by Marites Danguilan Vitug, Public Trust Media Group Inc 2010].

To analytical minds, “Command Votes” is the right term because there is bloc voting that allows the will of the voter to reign. In contrast, in the Command Votes practice of the INC supposedly for unity, there is no freedom to choose, such that some leave the INC on account of such practice. Most leavers can be found in the MCGI who lament that they had to vote for the rivals of their very own relatives – against their will.

An earlier blog of Jake Astudillo (April 21, 2013, this blogsite)  wrote –

Alex Magno of Philippine Star calls this more of “command votes.” As practiced by the INC it is command votes, he said, “evoking sad imagery of witness voters and omnipotent political lords.”

Whatever you may call it, the INC had perfected this practice by declaring candidates to support only a few days before the actual casting of votes – when the most likely candidate to win is already palpable. They then appear to have exerted some influence when the candidate wins, who usually would call in to thank them.

As discussed by Preacher Soriano, this bloc voting syndrome has affected the country as exemplified by politicians’ sycophantic bestowal of favors to the Iglesia ni Cristo. There is the obvious hope of abbreviated efforts in having to troop to their chapels for endorsement during election time.

Jake Astudillo is talking about the controversial re-naming of already-named streets to Felix Manalo Street’s by politicians, and granting INC (July 27) holidays to INC members in their localities. It is a practice gradually getting established that takes a less strenuous exercise than having to go to the INC Palace for endorsement or inclusion in bloc voting.

Why do politicians do this – rename streets in heroes’ names into Felix Manalo’s and grant holidays to INC’s in their localities?  Did the INC ask for these street re-naming and July 27 holidays? They did not, some INC claim. Isn’t it an effect or more precisely an offshoot of this Command Votes practice? To re-quote Astudillo, “There is the obvious hope of abbreviated efforts in having to troop to their chapels for endorsement during election time….  this syndrome has affected the country as exemplified by politicians’ sycophantic bestowal of favors to the Iglesia ni Cristo.”

The INC Command Votes practice is really at the root of the INC Syndrome, some quarters swear to that. They get their influence from it and use it to persecute others. Meanwhile, they ensconce themselves in power. This INC is hardly a CHURCH, according to Bro. Eli. If this were a true church, it would not display these symptoms.

But there is the necessity to speak – for the benefit of others. At his age, when Bro. Eli goes, at least he has been harping about the nefarious practices of this so-called very influential group: scattering their grandiose chapels everywhere but deforming their members within. With him, enemies may do everything, but he depends on what God can do.

“I am old. I don’t know how far my work will take me. As to preaching, there’s a direction to follow: from east to west to north to south. We are going north,” Bro. Eli would say.The Bible indeed points to that direction in not only with a single verse. When you consider what the preacher is saying and referring to, it is the Antipodal Map that he is busy following.

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Trembling Catholic Defender Warns Members, “Keep Away from Bro. Eli Soriano”

By Jane Abao

Manila, Philippines (8/22/2014) – Beset by fear and anxiety, a Roman Catholic apologist called on the RCC members to maintain distance from Bro. Eli Soriano whom he calls a liar and all sorts of names.  The preacher recently had critiqued Jorge Mario Bergoglio or Pope Francis.

Aloysius Kayiwa, a Roman Catholic apologist, recently pleaded to Catholic members to guard their families and not fall for Bro. Eli. He posted his plea in Splendor of the Church, a blog that stands as Catholic Apologetics where he also attacked Soriano and his followers.Kayiwa2

Bro. Eli Soriano is the Presiding Minister of the Members Church of God (MCGI) or Ang Dating Daan as locally known. He has long since become a byword in the country and abroad for his kind of preaching through Bible Expositions that he does worldwide through satellite. The group reaps an average of 1,500 converts in weekly baptisms in Central Luzon alone and most of the converts come from the Roman Catholic Church. This has serious implications for great subtraction from many religious groups especially from the RCC membership.

Kayiwa, a Ugandan who is former Pentecostal and had converted to the Roman Catholic Church, is a correspondent of Splendor and is based in Africa. He is one of the three whom MCGI members referred to as “squids” covering up for Pope Francis. The other two are Abraham Arganiosa, the priest that initially handled the Splendor blog decorated with many images, and a Duane Yan aka Lay Person Scripturist.

Earlier, Duane Yan challenged Bro. Eli to a debate – not on doctrines but on which is a better Bible, emphasizing knowledge of Hebrew and Greek alphabet. Duane claimed Bro. Eli kept attacking the RCC. Meanwhile, Arganiosa merely called Bro. Eli names and shamed him in a blog, on top of photo-shopping the preacher’s image, placing his head on the body of another, and making him appear like a clown and childish. The third one is Kayiwa who is more knowledgeable than the two, but based his apologetics on saint worship and traditions of Catholic fathers that are not honored by other Christians.

As one of those involved in doing squid tactics that tried to derail discussions on what Pope Francis said, Kayiwa took over when not one of the Filipino apologists could speak up for the Pope’s words. He had also asked his brothers that his blogs be translated into Filipino but Jane Abao of Ang Dating Daan wrote, “Before you spread your heresies from Uganda to the Philippines, stand up and be measured!” This properly calls for Kayiwa to be tested in a debate before he spreads his false teachings, she retorted in her response on this blog .

The beginning of all these is that Bro. Eli found issues with the pronouncements of the Pope: about using conscience as guide to believing in God or not, and about Jesus being man, not spirit. In his letter to Eugenio Scalfari, founder of La Repubblica in Italy dated September 3, 2013, Pope Francis said, follow your conscience. Scalfari asked if God would forgive those who do not believe in him. At another instance, Pope Francis said, Jesus is not spirit; he is man. This was registered in RomeReports.com.  Bro. Eli posted his blogs titled, “Pope Told to be More Biblical in Pronouncements” and  “The Greatest Fallacy of the Roman Catholic Church Ever,” contesting these pronouncements on his official blog. Three Catholic apologists arose to respond, but managed to do squid tactics to obliterate the issue.

As responses to Bro. Eli, Duane produced two blogs, “A Response to the Attack of Eli Soriano against Pope Francis” and “Response to the Response of the Coward Leader of Ang Dating Daan.” Arganiosa wrote a shouting blog with every word capitalized,  titled, “MAMA ELI SORIANO TOO COWARDLY IN HIS ALIBIS; REFUSES DEBATE CHALLENGES;” and Kayiwa, three: REFUTING ELI SORIANO & HIS FELLOW FALSE PROPHETS ON THE DIVINITY OF CHRIST, Response to Eli Soriano’s Puppet, and Exposing the Fallacies, Lies, Hypocrisy and Insinuations of Soriano.”

Of the three “squids,” Aloysius Kayiwa had the penchant for going thick on everything to impress a bubble stock knowledge especially for his first blog. He is also the one that warns and in warning his brothers-in-faith, his insecurity is patent. Here are his last words in his blog3 titled, “Exposing the Fallacies, lies, hypocrisy, and Insinuations of Soriano by Aloysius Kayiwa” –

Please readers, do not fall for the deceptive reasoning of this thug false teacher Soriano. Guard your families and children; guard your brothers and sisters not to fall for this wayward agent of the Devil. This claim to “truth” or “true preacher” is a red flag characteristic utilized by this cult to instill an exclusiveness within their followers. Soriano is masterful at instilling elitism, tricking loyal followers into false reasoning that it is a privilege to be one of the Members of the Church of God International when he is actually leading them (sic) the garden path of hell.

This Blog3 deceptively sports a newspaper-looking top wherein Soriano’s photo is largely inserted in the middle, and to appear like a news clipping, the following is bannered: “Eliseo Soriano: False prophet, fugitive preacher and rapist.” However, there is no story body that follows the title – about his being “false prophet, fugitive preacher or rapist.”

The fallacies employed by Kayiwa will be the meat of discussions here.  These are either to defend himself or calculated to mislead the Catholic members whom he fears will believe in Bro. Eli. But first, here’s the background.

BACKGROUND: Bro. Eli Soriano found issues with two of Pope Francis’ pronouncements: 1) Follow your conscience whether to believe in God or not (Answer to an atheist, Eugenio Scalfari); and 2) Jesus is not spirit, but man (Registered in RomeReports.com). In the first, Bro. Eli said conscience is not a real guide because some men have seared conscience.  Bro. Eli also said, one who does not believe is condemned already, according to the Bible.

In the second issue, he said that some truths are time-bound and when the Pope gave his pronouncement that “Jesus is man,” it is not true anymore. From here, three apologists came up supposedly to defend the Pope but merely did squid tactics to obliterate the issue.

In an earlier response, Duane was shown to have simply boasted of his knowledge in Hebrew and Greek alphabet. Meanwhile, Arganiosa was shown to have merely photo-shopped the image of Bro. Eli on top of bad-mouthing him but never hit the issues. Aloysius Kayiwa was also answered in this blog for his first post.

The focus now is on Kayiwa’s Blog2, “Response to Eli Soriano’s Puppet,” that is addressed to Jane Abao. Excerpts of his statements (n) are posted first, followed by the fallacy committed. The author takes the opportunity to respond to these fallacies and then make a conclusion. Towards the end, being the addressee, the author will provide two questions asked by guests during random Bible Expositions to acquaint readers with Bro. Eli, even in a superficial way. Sic means “as is,” indicating wrong grammar or typography as Kayiwa placed them.

KAYIWA’S FALLACIES IN REASONING

(1)When someone is hurt, the option is either to keep quiet (if one is humbled) or react. Now one of the member (sic) of the Dating Daan (sic) Cult did the latter after her thug cowardly leader Eli Soriano was exposed and refuted. The lady who made the attack is named Jane Abao in a blog article – I do not know her personally – but for defense’s, (sic) I will respond to her asservation in a more articulate manner. I must say delusion is her tone but I also observed that truth is too painful for her and if she accuses me of not refuting what Soriano really said, I will accuse her missing the whole point in my article or still for committing the sin of omission. (Fallacy: Poisoning the Well, Distraction, Begging the Question)

It was your Pope whom Bro. Eli exposed, and his two exposes were the issues or points. You are changing the truth. Your article is not the one we are contending with. It was the Pope’s errors. Your article stood as your defense to the Pope. Therefore, they will be weighed as responses – but not the one presenting the issues. You also assume things that have not even started. I see you desperately painting a picture that you are on top of the situation. But you are trembling!

(2) The Splendor BLOG is a public blog and it is frequently NO. ONE (sic) in the Top Blog list ranking. Many people have found that blog useful and many people, whose souls were at a danger of being misled by your cult, were saved by this blog. Once again, many people have been converted by this blog including some from your sect. I myself have improved my Apologetics with the aid of this blog and that is why I chose to be its correspondent for Africa. There is nothing you can say about that. (Fallacy: Ad Populum or Appeal to People)

Splendor may be Number 1 in blog ranking, but it has failed to answer for Pope Francis. Now that you are boasting about it, has it won an award? None! Bro. Eli’s blog at www.esoriano.wordpress.com has won a Shorty Award for Most Educational To Follow in 2009, besting even Paulo Coehlo, a popular Brazilian author of the multi-translated The Alchemist fame.

Do not boast about ranking because it is mostly factored by using SEO algorithms of the following kind: controversies, scandals, nerve-wracking posts. No wonder, you try to destroy the reputation of people beginning with questionable photo-shopped images and fool your members as if those were true. You don’t care for truth if being Number 1 is your preference and so you thrive on scandals and controversies.

About our members being converted by Splendor, that is impossible because our culture does not include images and idol worship. Before I came to know Bro. Eli and his teachings, I have already learned that images are not to be prayed to. How? At the young age of 10, I had an extra-ordinary experience. I was leading a group of children praying before the image of Virgin Mary one summer night. (We were boarding a dormitory of an Episcopal Church that owned the school we attended). While I was approaching the image to kneel before it, my mind was telling me that we were simply before an idol. I led the prayers addressing “the Virgin Mary” but suddenly I broke into laughter. I laughed and laughed. No one was tickling me, but my funny bone was at its most active state. The prayers were then disrupted. In my embarrassment, we began again. But here went my uncontrolled laughter. We stopped again. Since that event had to be done with, we finally finished with my suppressed giggling. From there, I confirmed we were praying to an idol. I grew up really wondering why people prayed to stones and concrete images. I am glad I was never a Catholic and never had to do what they do. It is not impossible to know what is what.

(3) Your false teacher Soriano writes poisonous articles with a corrupt gospel but what have they helped his followers other than misleading them? In them is (sic) contained fretting, deception, cynicism and hypnotism. What have you done to prevent that? Soriano’s writings are like slow doses of poison, it is funny how you discredit my article in order to pass your attacks on me and shelve the false teachings of your leader. But let me tell you, there is no amount of deodorant and cosmetics you use that can cover the shame and rot in your thug leader. (Fallacy: Poisoning the Well, Begging the Question, Strawperson Argument)

Wrong assumptions, wrong conclusions. God’s words that Bro. Eli propagates have helped many understand the truth in the Bible, including having nothing to do with images that the Catholics worship. Fretting, deception, cynicism and hypnotism? You should rather write on a charge sheet and file a case if you believe Bro. Eli is doing this instead of merely blogging to mislead your people. You are feeding them with lies.

What have we done to prevent that? Nothing, because “that” is merely your bunch of lies. You got to shape up and be true to yourselves. What do you get out of fooling people just so they stay with the Roman Catholic Church? Beginning with the name, it is not even in the Bible. This is what Bro. Eli taught us –

DANIEL 9:19

O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.

He said, if you are of God, it is the name of God that should be attached to you.

It is Church of God that you find mentioned 12 times in the Bible, but there is not a single mention of the Roman Catholic Church. You also say something that is not there, and then you try to destroy it. It looks easy to you, but there is nothing to destroy with the straw you put up.

“Shame and rot in your thug leader.” What are these? We do not know what you are talking about. The lot of cases fabricated against Bro. Eli, we know about them. Those were filed by the Iglesia ni Cristo where Bro. Eli is considered their most fierce critic. Those who filed them were former members that Bro. Eli excommunicated for offenses. They were thrown away and were accepted by the Iglesia ni Cristo. Some of the cases were won over; the others are being worked out. As it is, anyone with money can file a case against another. If someone files a case against you, it does not necessarily mean their allegations are true.

A lot of these cases were filed with evil intentions. You were taken in by those lies and it would not do good to your members if you teach them also to believe in lies.

Was there ever a case wherein members applied deodorant and cosmetics to cover for Bro. Eli? We would leave him, if there is a reason. It does not appear to you that what you are accusing me of is what you are doing for the Pope – squirting ink for the public not to see what is happening. Your Pope has been critiqued!

(4) It is so self-deceiving for you to think I wrote about “many topics” which you even do not mention. In my article I explained the Nature of God and the Divinity of Christ with the intention of crushing the inaccurate and misleading methods your false teacher uses to explain about God. If you will interpreted (sic) those interconnected topics as being “many topics,” fine for you but don’t impose your narrow mindedness on me. I am not responsible for your delusion. When I wrote, I wrote in the general sense so that people can learn the larger issue but you are so dumb to realize that. Shame on you! The aim of writing is not for eloquence (although that is necessary) but conveying the truth, that is the aim of my writing and I will write thick articles so long as they convey truth – and as long as you label them like that but there is nothing you will do about that. (Fallacy: Non Sequitur or It doesn’t follow)

I can understand by now that you do not know how to engage in arguments. That is why you enlarge an issue more than it is. The issue(s) were the Pope Pronouncements.  Period. So that is where we should stay put. Do not say you wrote something for general use and then complain when you are measured as being “thick” with extraneous material. Supposedly, was that to impress people that you were doing something for the Pope? Your members may be impressed but thinking minds can see through your padding tricks.

And before you shame anyone and lecture about writing, find out whom you are talking to!

(5) Actually it goes deeper than that. You see, I have read the arguments of the very early church – the very early church that gave you your Bible and I have compared the mumblings of your kind with those of the Early Church Fathers on the same issues – my analysis is your heretical beliefs were refuted long ago by Church Fathers. Who are you that your 21st Century knowledge and understanding can compare with excessively heavenly intelligent Justin Matyr and Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp and Jerome and Aquinas and Augustine? (Fallacy: Non Sequitur)

Sorry, but I do not read nor listen to “excessively heavenly intelligent Justin Matyr and Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp and Jerome and Aquinas and Augustine.” What truths have they taught? I listen to the appointed preacher of God who was given understanding and a mouth that cannot be assailed.

It doesn’t follow that since the Roman Catholic Church came ahead, they have godly ascendancy over others. In fact, there was a blackout of knowledge for over many centuries, so how can they be that knowledgeable than now? Understanding what was prophesied to come in the end times plays a role here – and that means the True Church, affiliated with the Church of the First born that started in Heaven, will arise in the end times with understanding as its main tool and a mouth that cannot be assailed. You will see this one in Bro. Eli Soriano, and that has been tested by time.

Do you think I would spend many years studying and then fall for a fool? Over my dead body! When I chose my religion, I was led to it like the way I was able to understand that the Virgin Mary image was an idol. So, coming to know that was spirit-inspired. One Sunday, I simply took a bus to go to the next city and find the House of God because I wanted to worship. The pressure was so much that I rode without a destination in mind. The bus had arrived and yet I didn’t know where to go. When I finally went down, I went from one church to another and found myself rejecting them one by one. The sun was already up; it was way past high noon and yet I had not chosen a church. Still, I wanted to worship. Finally, I found one Church Locale of the MCGI (Ang Dating Daan). I fitted quite properly as if I belonged to them and as if I came to know them for many years. That was because I was already like them: wearing long skirt, no make-up, maintaining long hair and staying simple, as being taught by Bro. Eli. I sang songs with them easily and listened to the texto. That is the House of God – with simple people having simple hearts, ready to be led to truth with no baggage of the questionable traditions of men.

(6) The stupidity in you is seen when you claim Church Father’s (sic) teaching (sic) have no credibility for others but I was not writing only to refute your false teachers but also to enable others learn (sic) – I mean our Catholic brothers and sisters and all those who may be concerned about the strange and unusual teachings of Dating Daan (sic). (Fallacy: Ad Misericordiam. Appeal to sympathy ahead of reasons).

You were really on the wrong tract. What you were supposed to do is answer the issues presented. Answer what Bro. Eli said about the pronouncements of the Pope. Your article was not responding to the issue.  If you were to advance the learning of your brothers and sisters in faith, your materials were pegged then of saying “Do not listen to Soriano.” Sure enough, you ended this blog with warnings. But where was the answer to Bro. Eli’s allegations about the Pope’s words? They would ask you, was the Pope correct or not? What would you tell them since you have no answers for the Pope?

Here was your conclusion, in attempting to save Pope Francis from his critiqued statements  (from thick blog1, titled , REFUTING ELI SORIANO & HIS FELLOW FALSE PROPHETS ON THE DIVINITY OF CHRIST) –

(7) A human mind cannot hope to understand the reality of God; spiritual beings are beyond the comprehension of physical beings. The closest a fleshly being can come to understanding the spiritual realm, a realm unknown to daily reality or scientific understanding, is through the approximations of anthrop morphological (sic) statements. For this reason, any description of God is merely a vague humanized likeness.  As the reality of God is an unsolvable mystery, incomprehensible until we see him “face to face,” it is foolish to judge others with marginally different points of view.” (Fallacy: Appeal to Ignorance)

In other words, you are saying, it is foolish to judge the Pope’s pronouncements as either right or wrong because we cannot describe God anyway. That is your prescriptive view – in answer to the critique of Bro. Eli on the Pope’s words.

I wouldn’t buy this reasoning. Man cannot know God then? Is that why your Pope and the Roman Catholic Church are so full of errors? The Catholic Church sells indulgencies and people pay to get themselves and their relatives out of hell.  Just what are indulgencies? Research says the RCC claim they have a reservoir of grace built up by the saints and could tap these resources to save people on earth and purgatory. What a pagan teaching! Heaven’s reservoir of grace you sell? If you cannot describe God – as either spirit or man – it is because of these money-making schemes. Every church service (baptism, weddings, funeral, and the like) is being paid for in the RCC.

God is not that cruel not to allow man to come to know him, but it is possible. There are things God reserves for those he appoints to propagate his words. He gives them understanding. And it is these people we have to follow – so that we can know God and describe him. Some people cannot know God because they refuse knowledge. Here is what the Bible says –

PROVERBS 1:24-31 (KJV)

Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at naught all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you. Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me: For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD: They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof. Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

Back to your attack on Jane Abao.

(8)Actually, this St. Athanasius is the one who produced the Canon of the Bible you hold in your hands. Let me tell you, you are a parasite of Arius the Heretic, you are trying to divert us from telling the truth of what transpired in ancient times in a bid to cover up for your sects (sic)  corrupt gospel. (Fallacy: Red Herring, Appeal to Emotion) 

Let me warn you Madame, that will not work for you. The truth is that your beliefs from your thug organization are demonic and what I mention are fundamental Christian beliefs believed for 15 centuries before your thug organization came after as a result of Luther’s reformation. Your Dating Daan (sic) has borrowed much from the devious teachings of Luther and his former heretic Arius, who even your fellow Protestants disowned as heretics. Don’t you feel ashamed that your beliefs stem from the falsity of Arius and Luther. There’s nothing Christian about your Christ-deity rejecting cult. (Fallacy: Red Herring, Appeal to threat)

I was not born just yesterday. Judging from your own words, you are writing more to be believed by your members than by me as the addressee. It is on account of your great need to impress them that by throwing insults, you are deemed by them as correct. That is not how truth comes about.

The Bible is “God-breathed,  the source of truth, the standard for meaningful life” as accepted by many – but not the Catholic version that has questionable portions added.  Isn’t it obvious I wouldn’t be using a Catholic Bible?

The MCGI has no corrupt gospel.  We do not baptize infants who do not understand and cannot give their consent to baptism. We do not espouse image veneration or worship. We do not sell Church services like the RCC does. When one dies, we do not sell masses to be celebrated in many churches. If that is the case, then only the moneyed can find “repose” for their souls. We believe that when one is dead, he is in the hands of God. He is only resting, waiting for the resurrection, so that there is no need to buy salvation for them. We do not make sign of the cross – a sure sign of the devil. There are many things we do not do because God did not say they are godly to do.

The “fundamental Christian beliefs believed for 15 centuries” that you boast of may have been outdated, corrected and dropped after new truths were revealed. Remember that some truths are time-bound. That is what you do not understand in the RCC and so you find fault in Bro. Eli. He taught us that at the time of the end, there is a possibility that the closed book will be opened. What will happen? “Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.” And what he taught us are found in the Bible.

Daniel 12:4

But thou, o Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

So what was not known in those many centuries are being revealed now. You have a wrong sense of time if you think “time” to man is also time to God. In the MCGI, Bro. Eli reveals the mysteries of God as understanding comes to him. There are truths that have been reserved for the future, especially for the end-times. See the texts in Daniel.

You are not correct about the way you seek information.  The MCGI is not protestant; it has never been a part of Luther and what he stands for, nor Arius that you link to us. If that is the way you seek truth, with even as basic as researching, you do not have the proper skills to advance. No wonder you build on shaky ground.

THE FEAR OF KAYIWA SHOWS

For all your laughter, Kayiwa, in jeering Bro. Eli, the real character of fear in you manifested when you came upon the word, DEBATE and quickly misunderstood me with whom you were discussing. You were analyzing my work –

“Like the others, you mention many things that are only true to you. I will just show you some of what you said:

In his first line, Soriano says that: “Now, if the son is equal to the Father and the Father is a spirit, it follows that the Son must also be a spirit!” This is a bogus statement confusing the nature of God and cancelling out Soriano. Notice how he confuses the Spirit to be the Father and the Son and not Himself. Soriano does not know what “equal” means and he confuses the nature of the one God and through misapplying and torturing Scriptures to support his erroneous views.

If Jesus is also a Spirit like His Father as Soriano says, why does the Spirit come on him during Baptism by John the Baptist?

Resolution for this is a televised debate.”

It means, for these things to be settled, a televised debate is being proposed by me. That is the simple grammar of it. The one who said “bogus statement” and that “Soriano does not know what equal means” was you, Kayiwa; and for that to be examined, a debate was proposed.

Now, notice your answer, Kayiwa –

(9) “Madame, you do not know what you are talking about surely. Who told you this is a televised debate or was a televised debate? Who told you? Stop being self-deceiving. This was a blog post. Let me tell you, even if this was a televised debate, there is nothing from the kinds of you. We have refuted all the Iglesia ni Manalo Debaters in televised debates. These Iglesia debaters themselves defeated Ang Dating Daan debaters. Rest assured, Madame, there is nothing we fear – even on Televised Debate. The problem is that your debaters are afraid to engage us, including your thug coward false teacher Soriano. Just come out of your dens and debate us (sic) if you are confident. Tell your thug leader to come out from his den and prove the fallacies he accuses us in real debate. We (CFD Debaters) fear nothing! That is the writing on the wall for you and him.” (Fallacy: Ad Populum, Appeal to Emotion)

As a practiced debater – local and international – Bro. Eli has his batting average recorded. In the space of four years from 1995-1998, Bro. Eli had a record of 17 total debates or 4 debates each year. Now, it is becoming less and less especially in foreign lands because these debates on video are posted all over the Internet. Challengers are withdrawing although there are times the tickets for Bro. Eli and his staffs have been bought already and the venue paid for.  Once these challengers are able to view these videos, they retract. I leave the readers to judge these allegations of Kayiwa.

(10) Besides, has your cult produced any Saint? Do you have Saints in your cult? No one. Yet you are accusing us for having Saints, the righteous of God. These Saints mean a lot to us Catholics as Role Models together with Jesus… (Fallacy: Distraction)

Maybe the idea of praying to the Saints is a bit strong for the likes of Jane Abao so I like the idea of praying with the Saints who intercede on our behalf in their praises to God. In our human nature, we are always looking for heroes. Football’s hall of fame is located everywhere. The Catholic Hall of Fame is located in Heaven. Just as we honor some of the great sports legends and war heroes, we especially honor those who lived for God and are in Heaven. (Fallacy: Strawperson Argument)

What is a saint? A saint is a Christian, dead or alive, who does God’s will. He or she does not need to be “canonized” by the RCC for holiness. Therefore, saints are found in the House of God. This is where the saint is to be perfected – in the house of God. It is God who judges who is saint – not human beings.

There is no need for intercession in praying.  Intercession is the cause of money flowing from people to the Roman Catholic Church unnecessarily as if access to God is through money – only. If you are a child of God and he is your Father, why do you have to pray to other people – especially dead people – to pray for you? What can dead people do when they are resting (no consciousness) and waiting for the resurrection?

And, the Catholic Hall of Fame is located in Heaven? In Heaven where God is, there is no competition. No one there is famous or non-famous. Here on earth, each of us is expected to toe the line as Christians and so everyone can be a saint. The field is leveled for everyone moneyed or not – and there’s the Bible to guide us – plus our proper thinking tools to process information through logic, plus rightful research, but never the traditions of man that have become questionable.

Fear is very patent in the response of Kayiwa. What is he afraid of? Of sheep being stolen from the RCC. He said that. Then he ends with a threat. This is his threat –

(11) Besides, do not be a hypocrite Madame. Empirically Protestants have more leprosy than Catholics. I can prove that if you want me to do (sic). This is not an argument boast but a fact. Make no mistake about that. And as long as you want to attack us, we shall respond with equal measure. I mean we shall respond even with greater force. We are qualified for that. There is no doubt about that. (Fallacy: Red Herring, Ad Populum, Appeal to Force).

We are not Protestants – in the sense that we do not or do deny the authority of the Pope. We are Christians and have nothing to do with authorities of other people. Go prove yourself to the Protestants – for all we care. We are not Protestants. AND your threat is hollow!

“Attack” is your word, but that is not the way we look at searching for truth. If there is something we find that we must not hold on to, no matter how many centuries it was counted on as “truth,” if understanding is given by God through our Church Leader to let go, then we let go that “truth” and follow God.

(12)The Bible calls Soriano a liar. (Fallacy: Red Herring)

However, the cult’s teachings are like a flawed product disguised by impressive packaging. Although their teachings appear truthful, they are embodied in a fallacy with a deliberate attempt to mislead. The Dating Daan (sic) literature is saturated with these fallacious statements in which the error is not obvious. Eli Soriano uses this to masterfully deceive, trick, control and manipulate his followers.  (Fallacy: Circular Argument)

Do not let clear thinking be swamped by these semantics and devious teachings falsely presented as the “established truth” and “of God” – they are not true in the real sense. They are the fanciful falsehoods of human imaginations of Eli Soriano and are specific statements that manipulate the actions of members like this Jane Abao. (Fallacy: Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc or After this, therefore because of this)

Kayiwa goes round and round in his fear and trembling, where there is no danger. You cannot impound people when they look for truth by your many words that tend to paint someone falsely. Somehow, a person will have to search, as most of former RCC members that have been enlightened by Bro. Eli’s preaching do.

“It is true that as told in the Bible, there is a time the book is closed and no one can understand.

Daniel 12:4

But thou, o Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

“But in the later times, that understanding needed will be given. Understanding is very important. It shows us whom God appointed to handle his word. But to whom will it be given? There is a prophecy for understanding –

Daniel 12:9-10

And he said, go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

“The wise shall understand. They will understand the content of the prophecy. They are called wise. This will also happen in the end times.

Daniel 12:3

And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness, as the stars forever and ever.”

I am actually quoting from a book of Bro. Eli in Q and A.  He ended his answer to the question like this –

So the wise will be used by God as instruments in turning people to righteousness. Many will come to know the Lord. Those who will be God’s instruments in bringing people to righteousness are wise.

I did not say I am that, but I can be one of them. There is no necessity for Daniel to describe my person. You just have to fall under what is prophesied.

The un-equaled understanding of Bro. Eli is his claim to being one of those chosen to preach God’s word, although Kayiwa condemns him as liar. If Bro. Eli is a liar, why does he have understanding that the Pope does not have?

Back to the plea of this trembling apologist –

(13) Please readers, do not fall for the deceptive reasoning of this thug false teacher Soriano. Guard your families and children; guard your brothers and sisters not to fall for this wayward agent of the Devil. This claim to “truth” or “true preacher” is a red flag characteristic utilized by this cult to instill an exclusiveness within their followers. Soriano is masterful at instilling elitism, tricking loyal followers into false reasoning that it is a privilege to be one of the Members of the Church of God International when he is actually leading them the garden path of hell. (Fallacy: Slippery Slope)

Wrong assumptions. It is best that you ask those who have left the RCC why they followed Bro. Eli. They are laughing now at what they had been taught to do for many years. Their eyes were opened; the veil that covered their understanding has been lifted.

Now we come to the physical lay-out of the page.

 (14) [The blog response of Kayiwa deceptively sports a newspaper-like top wherein Soriano’s photo is largely inserted in the middle, and to appear like a news clipping, the following is bannered: “Eliseo Soriano: False prophet, fugitive preacher and rapist.” However, there is no news story that follows as a body of this title]. (Fallacy: Desperate attempt to mislead readers. Red Herring)

Anyone not familiar with photo-shopping tricks like this one will think there was a newspaper that really came out like that. It is public knowledge that the Splendor of the Church blog tagged as Catholic Apologetics is notorious for doing such photo-shopping tricks to malign their subjects. Obviously calculated to mislead their readers, they unknowingly show the true character of their religion. That is how some sectors view this blog which apologists like Kayiwa boast of as protecting their people from the likes of Bro. Eli.

It is wrong to do this. It is un-Christian. We should be ashamed of other religions that do not call themselves “Christians” and yet do not do what we do. Splendor has a Website man that does foolish things online to make the blogs more biting and respond to SEO algorithm for more article exposure. But the blogger still has the responsibility on whatever is posted to accompany the article.

CONCLUSION: The author now takes the opportunity to conclude about Aloysius Kayiwa’s prescriptive view that “A human mind cannot hope to understand the reality of God; spiritual beings are beyond the comprehension of physical beings…. therefore, it is foolish to judge others with marginally different points of view.” [See (7)].

The supports and evidences that Kayiwa gave are not supports at all to his conclusion that we cannot describe God, so it is foolish to weigh the pronouncements of Pope Francis.

What Kayiwa could have done is to write on Pope Francis and what the Pope could have meant in light of situations surrounding him. Kayiwa could have given more effort for supports to back up the Pope in order to debunk the claims of Bro. Eli – if he could do it.

Instead, all Kayiwa did was write “Shame on you!” to me several times, call me a hypocrite, and condemn me as a puppet of “a leader of shame and rot.”

What is a puppet? The dictionary says, a puppet is “a movable model of a person or animal that is used in entertainment and is typically moved either by strings controlled from above or by a hand inside it.” So a puppet has no mind of his own. And yet, between me and Kayiwa, who prays to an idol and doesn’t even know it?

Most of all, Kayiwa flung blind accusations on Bro. Eli, calling him “wayward agent of the devil” with “writings of slow doses of poison,” of “poisonous articles with corrupt gospel that contained fretting, deception, cynicism and hypnotism.”

Surely, this is not the way of a people looking for truth. If we use critical thinking to discuss and advance with truth, it is not a chance for us to shame people.

YOU BE THE JUDGE

This is the first of two questions  presented here. The first was asked in one of the Bible Expositions of Bro. Eli in a Q&A portion by a guest from United Kingdom. This was excerpted from an EFerSon Context Book -a book devoted to Bro. Eli’s ministry. When it comes to questions, Bro. Eli can tell what religion you belong to, so he takes every opportunity to speak. You be the judge as to who Bro. Eli is – as against the contentions of Kayiwa.

Q88_From UK_Guest (7/8/2012): Greetings in the name of Jesus Christ. Sir, what is your authority in preaching?

Bro. Eli Soriano: Thank you for this opportunity to correct you with your impression. I pray that you will be enlightened with the answer I will give you.

First of all, please do not address me as Sir. While others like to be called sir, I prefer to be called Brother. The word “sir” or “sire,” implies somewhat of lordship. I am not a lord over the members of the Church.

I Peter 5:2-3

Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being examples to the flock.

To be acknowledged like a lord or of higher rank over the brethren in faith is prohibited. The implication is not biblically good. It is as if I were acting like a lord of the flock.

Matthew 23:8 -9

But be not ye called rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. and call no man your Father upon the earth: for one is your father, which is in heaven.

The recommended way of calling one another is Brother, Sister. The apostles themselves were addressed as brothers. They were not called “Reverend,” “Most Reverend,”  “The Very Reverend,” “Honorable,” “Most Honorable.” As far as I am concerned, Brother, Sister is the most respectful way of addressing a co-servant. I am requesting you not to call me Sir. In baptism, you should receive the Lord Jesus Christ, not Brother Eli Soriano. We are not preaching ourselves.

II Corinthians 4:5

For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus’ sake.

There are instances that I have to prove that I have the right to preach the Gospel. That is not preaching myself. I am preaching the Lord. I am preaching because I want to obey the commandment of the Lord – not because I just want to preach.

One of the commandments is in –

James 4:17

Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

I do not want to commit sin. Committing sin is not just transgressing the law. Knowing good but not doing it is also sin. That gives me desire to preach the gospel. I have known the scriptures.  It has been my pleasure to study spirituality since my childhood. I have read books of different doctrines. I have investigated all areas of faith in the world. After knowing that others are not preaching the truth, there’s urgency in me to do what is proper to do.

What I share is what I know is true that others do not preach. Some can’t even ask questions or investigate. I am the only preacher mingling with people and giving people chance to voice out their doubts. Then a question arises: What is my authority in preaching?

John and the Lord Jesus Christ answered such query. There are times the same question is posed to me. Then I read prophecies. But I cannot remember any instance when I uttered, “I was prophesied.”  I just read prophecies such as this –

Daniel 12:4

But thou, o Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

At the time of the end, there is a possibility that the closed book will be opened. What will happen? “Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.”

Historically, there is no time like our time when there are as many running to and fro and knowledge is increased. I have seen the fulfillment of this prophecy. There may have been televisions in progressive countries but not in the Philippines during the 1950’s.

I saw the advent of the transistor radio. I was young then when the television was introduced.  I have seen how knowledge has increased. Today, just having a laptop gets you connected to the whole world. That is in the prophecy. Coincidentally, with that prophecy –

Daniel 12:9-10

 And he said, go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

So there is a prophecy of understanding. The wise shall understand. This will also happen in the end times. They will understand the content of the prophecy. They are called wise.

Daniel 12:3

And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness, as the stars forever and ever.

So the wise will be used by God as instruments in turning people to righteousness. Many will come to know the Lord. Those who will be God’s instruments in bringing people to righteousness are wise.

I did not say I am that, but I can be one of them. There is no necessity for Daniel to describe my person. You just have to fall under what is prophesied.

Daniel 12:3

And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness, as the stars forever and ever.

I can be one of those wise who will turn people to righteousness. And it is happening. Broken families are being mended. Vicious people are turned to Christ. The prophecy is happening in my person. I can be considered one of those who will turn people to righteousness.

Every word of God has its fulfillment. But I am not elevating myself to a degree of exultation. I may be one instrument of God to turn people to him.

There are many ways for me to presume that God uses me to turn people to God. I used the word presume. It implies not putting too much trust in one’s self but trusting in God.

Proverbs 3:13

Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.

Is it evil for me to presume that I am a man who found wisdom and has understanding? I can feel within me that God is giving me understanding to his words. You judge the fruit of what God has done to me. Whatever anyone thinks of me, I can speak for my authority in preaching. Is there anyone – in the whole world – who can preach what I am preaching now?

AND THIS IS THE second question. It is about SAINTS from a former Roman Catholic member who underwent indoctrination and was getting ready for baptism in MCGI. The question was asked in 2011. It is placed here because Kayiwa had boasted about their “saints.” Let us learn what SAINT means.

Q14_Guest (9/17/2011): What does saint mean? Why are graven images of the Catholics called saints?

Bro. Eli Soriano: We don’t give meaning to the word “saints.”  But the bible gives meaning to it.

PSALMS 51:11

Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

Saint or Santo means holy. The final authority in the meaning of terms is the Bible. Saints in the Bible can mean holy people or holy angels – because there are angels that are not holy.

EPHESIANS 3:5

 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

There are holy apostles. There are holy angels also.

MARK 8:38

Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

There are holy angels; they obey god. There are holy people; they also obey god.

JAMES 5:12

But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.

This teaches us not to be liars. It teaches us to be true to our words.

JOHN 8:44

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

WHAT ABOUT BRO. ELI’S TEACHINGS?

The truth in Bro. Eli’s teachings is what made me stay for the last 13 years. I came from the Worldwide Church of God where I stayed for almost 3 decades until it broke up – into many groups. From that experience, I was ever alert for possible errors from preaching. BUT the more I listened to Bro. Eli and the longer I stayed with MCGI, the more I am convinced it is The True Church.

The teachings as taught by Bro. Eli are biblical. There is not a time that he does not quote from the Bible as he teaches. All topics are backed up with Bible verses and everyone can check what he is saying. Then they can be followed up with more discussions during weekly consultations that are an integral part of the Church Service. He encourages asking questions – unlike many pastors who do not even know the scriptures.

Bro. Eli’s topics are GOOD NEWS and spirit-inspired, and they have never been heard of before and elsewhere. They are a fruit of understanding given him from time to time. This explains why in other so-called churches, they have one-hour service – at most 1.5 hours – but in the Members Church of God International, they can stay awake up to the wee hours of the morning, listening to Bro. Eli, yet never getting tired of it. You can see this happening mostly in the ADD Convention Center at Apalit, Pampanga, north of Manila – the base of activities in weekly thanksgivings that are telecast through satellite in all the 6 continents of the world where the church members are. More so during 3-day quarterly thanksgivings where at the end of it, you can still hear some of the members wanting for more – time to be together and listen to God’s words.

LIKE RATS TO THE BEAM

Contrary to Kayiwa’s allegations, evidences of what are stated here are there for easy checking. The truth is, when a man trembles with fear from lying, he fears more for one nightmare: that of the RCC ship being abandoned by members – like rats racing out quick to the beam.

 

Bro. Eli, Pope Francis and the Squid Tactics of Roman Catholic Lackeys

By Jane Abao

Manila, Philippines (8/14/2014) – It all started with a question: Will God forgive those who don’t belSquid300ieve in him?

This was one of the questions asked by an Italian journalist to Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina or Pope Francis to the Catholics who in effect said, “Obey your conscience. That is your guide to what is right and what is wrong.”

Not long after that, media blared that the Pope said, it’s okay not to believe in God if you have clean conscience. Courtney Coren wrote it for Newsmax summarizing La Repubblica, the broadsheet where Eugenio Scalfari wrote his questions.

The Pope has lately been voicing out statements that shocked the world, including saying that he believes in God but not in the Catholic god. The Pope also has been set to task by Bro. Eli Soriano who found the Pope’s “Letter to a Non-Believer” as containing unbiblical answers.

Soriano is the Presiding Minister of the Members Church of God International (MCGI) or Ang Dating Daan as locally known. The preacher was particularly pointing to Paragraph 20 of the letter as translated in English in http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/letters/2013/documents/papa-francesco_20130911_eugenio-scalfari.html

The Pope’s letter to Scalfari that Vatican calls “non-believer,” said –

I now wish to address the three questions from your article of 7 August. I believe that in the first two questions, what interests you is to understand the attitude of the Church towards those who do not share faith in Jesus. Above all, you ask if the God of Christians forgives those who do not believe and who do not seek faith. Given the premise, and this is fundamental, that the mercy of God is limitless for those who turn to him with a sincere and contrite heart, the issue for the unbeliever lies in obeying his or her conscience. There is sin, even for those who have no faith, when conscience is not followed. Listening to and obeying conscience means deciding in the face of what is understood to be good or evil. It is on the basis of this choice that the goodness or evil of our actions is determined.

Vatican documented the 2,500-word piece dated 4 September 2013 as “Letter to a Non-Believer: Pope Francis Responds to Dr. Eugenio Scalfari, Journalist of the Italian Newpaper La Repubblica.” Critiquing the response, Soriano said, among others, that the conscience of man is not a correct guide to the question of believing in God or not, because there are men whose consciences have been seared.

In Soriano’s blog in esoriano.wordpress.com titled, “The Greatest Fallacy of the Roman Catholic Church Ever,” the preacher also contested the Pope’s statement that Jesus is not spirit but man. There are parameters to truth where some truth are time-bound said the preacher. In other words, since the statement was said only recently, “Jesus is not spirit; he is man” can no longer be true.

Among the items that Bro. Eli pointed out is the Catholic’s false belief about Trinity where there are three persons of equal status.  Not true, Bro. Eli said, because the son said in the Bible that, “the Father is greater than I,” and the Bible is an authority on this matter.

Searching for Truth

Searching for truth is one of the most novel pursuits of man today. But one needs to be serious about it because it has to do with an “end” question, “What will happen to me when I die? Will I be saved?”

The common denominator between Bro. Eli Soriano, Pope Francis and Scalfari is searching for truth, one could safely say – but not for apologists whose preference is placed on defending royalties, come what may. The man – not the message – is their focus.

To advance some more, those leading the churches need to be fully abreast of what is true. That in essence was the statement that Bro. Eli wanted to make when he was critiquing the Pope in teaching someone that Vatican called a non-believer. Hence the statement, “I am advising the Pope – if he accepts advises – to be more biblical in his pronouncements for the sake of more than a billion souls that look up to him as their leader.”

Bro. Eli is in fact fascinated with the new Pope as the latter proves to be cleansing the Roman Catholic Church – is in actuality creating its collapse – to come back to truth. This is what Soriano said in his blog.

We have members in Argentina who are former Catholics. I am thanking God that after the so-called ascension of the present Pope to the alleged throne of Peter, Argentines still strove to leave the Catholic Church and join us to be members of the Church of God International! I am happy for them in the sense that Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina caused the greatest collapse in the history of the Catholic Church when as present pope he pronounced that Jesus Christ is not a spirit but human!

Use of Reasoning, Discourses

The Word of God is the final arbiter above all things if we have to stick to truth. And for using truth to argue, to reason out, one must believe in truth himself.  To stay in the domain of truth, one must, himself, serve truth. Would anyone in his right mind refute this?

At other times, fidelity with truth may even necessitate detaching oneself – like give up serving what one used to believe in as “truth.” This is not very far to imagine as in the resignation of popes.

Blessing from God

Despite truth not laid readily on the platter for man, he is blessed to have been given the wisdom and the opportunities to know truth. But it is not like lying down under an apple tree and waiting for the apple to drop to one’s mouth. A man of God that would preach God’s word must study, practice, and apply principles found in God’s book. Above all, he must be above reproach so that no matter how small, no matter how insignificant he is in the eyes of people, he is someone justified in God’s eyes to handle his words. Not everyone is worthy to do that.

A lazy man, for example, that refuses to read his Bible will not come to understand anything. A braggart cannot win in an argumentation or discourse without studying how to keep away from fallacies. A so-called priest who does nothing but shout out curses to anyone criticizing his beliefs is not a priest in the real sense. An apologist that uses materials other than the word of God for what is true is not a careful apologist.

If one practices more on tricks to mislead the audience with corrupt communication rather than finding out what is true, he is but a paid hack, a hired lackey to ensure status quo that someone may hold on to dear power. For example, the Pope’s pronouncement about Jesus not being a spirit but a man as the bone of contention should not lead to anywhere but there. Stay there and resolve that thing. It should not lead to yourself and your pompous biodata.

Recently, someone calling himself Lay Person Scripturist (?) tried to hi-jack a supposed work-in-progress, using the blog of “Splendor of the Church.” Bro. Eli Soriano was advising the Pope to be more biblical in his pronouncements in his blog in esoriano.wordpress.com. This so-called “scripturist” who obviously has no gifted knowledge about scriptures came forward to brag about his knowledge of Hebrew and Greek. He was challenging Bro. Eli to prove his recommendation of the KJV as the better Bible. Someone’s pronouncements had suddenly metamorphosed into better Bible. Was that the issue? How did it come to that? This is clearly squid tactics at work!

Lay it on the Table

For anyone thirsting for truth, one should take extra care that one does not adhere to personalities but to God and his word. When Bro. Eli was finding issues with the pronouncements of Pope Francis, he was laying on the table these pronouncements for examination: firstly, about following your conscience as guide to belief or non-belief in God, and secondly, about Jesus being man and not spirit.

Why was he doing this? Preachers should continually study and examine information around just like other professions do. Bro. Eli said handling the words of God is most delicate and should not be simply toyed with by people who make business out of it. More so, use it for power.

What should be done now as proper, when things are on the table? To discuss these to find out the truth according to the final arbiter – the word of God.

So now, is conscience a proper guide to what is right and what is wrong? Is Jesus a man and not spirit? These are questions the world should be able to discuss – with saneness of mind, like adults who care for themselves and for others. These questions need answers, and it is but proper to discourse on them – especially with the Roman Catholic Church leaders. When Bro. Eli blogged about this, no one stood up for the Pope – in the proper way. Attempts were all spent at tearing down Bro. Eli as if the Pope would stand right if they do.

The Lackeys: Rise of Greenhorn Defenders

What happened was that someone in tow, identified only as “Lay Person Scripturist” posted “A Response” to Bro. Eli. That was quite expected. The problem was that he deflected from the issue and trained the discourse on himself and about what he knew about Greek and Hebrew. It was a decoy, all right, to draw the attention away from Pope Francis and his pronouncements.

The comments below the blogs called Bro. Eli all sorts of names. No one said anything against the Pope; neither against the personality of the blogger.  The page belonged to the Catholics. “Lay Person Scripturist” is hardly a name. But since he was blogging on the blog of Padre Abe Arganiosa’s “Splendor,” he was deemed to be speaking for the Church – until his words betrayed him. Duane Yan is after all just a lackey. Is that his real name? No one knows for sure. He is not open about his identity.

As it is, Greenhorns or Tenderfoots should stay in their proper places and that is to study AND THINK– instead of trying to cover up for their elders. Until they are ready, it will not do any good as shown in this example. Instead of facing the situation, apologists for the Catholic Church only showed their lack of character.

Pope Francis can very well speak for himself. The Bishops of the RCC can speak for their beliefs and defend them instead of a lackey doing it. This early, the corrupted thinking of the “scripturist” seems to say that covering up for a leader is preferable to searching for truth. That is heroism to him.

Duane Yan’s Fallacies

Google is everybody’s friend. That’s how we came to know the full name of this so-called Scripturist – if that is really his true name. Does Duane Yan or Lay Person Scripturist live scriptures? Read scriptures? Study scriptures? A scripturist is defined as one who is strongly attached to, or versed in, the Scriptures, or who endeavors to regulate his life by them. That is what the dictionary says.

Duane has not shown anything about being a scripturist – through his demeanor or through the contents of his discourses. Anyhow, the following is an analysis of Duane’s first blog with all his fallacies. The statements in quotes are his, and the fallacies he committed are set in bold. The author takes the pleasure to comment as reaction to his fallacies.

A1) Ad Populum Argument. Duane opened his Blog 1, “A Response to the Attack of Eli Soriano against Pope Francis” with a claim –

“It was jealousy that forced Eli Soriano to come up with this article.”

That’s an appeal to the RCC mass. However, the claim for a jealous Soriano was not supported at all. He did not give evidence as to how Soriano was jealous (of the Pope?) and in what terms Soriano could be jealous. Instead, his subject was the Pope.

A2) Non Sequitor. Duane came up with the charities of Pope Francis as if to say that Soriano has no charities since he doesn’t speak about them, or that he does not know about them, or that the Pope does them. It doesn’t follow that because Duane is ignorant of the charities of Bro. Eli that there is no charity to speak of from the side of Bro. Eli. Or because the Pope does charities, then Bro. Eli has none.

A3) False Analogy

“The teachings of a preacher who uses verses cannot save people if he does not follow the will of God.”

There is no debate here; it is true for everyone. The comparison is a false analogy since it is being used as support where there is none to support. This supposed claim is not a claim at all, but Duane makes it appear to the audience that he is talking about Soriano, and that what he is saying is true.

A4) Diversion

“The real problem is the malicious thinking of the Leader of Ang Dating Daan who cannot explain the Hebrew Alphabet. The leader of this ADD does not know the Greek language.”

What was the issue? The pronouncements of Pope Francis.  So why did it suddenly shift to Hebrew and Greek language? So that the so-called Catholic defender can cover up the errors found in the Pope’s words. No one came up but him – a “scripturist.”

One cannot run away from what is true and replace it with another. Your knowledge of the Hebrew and Greek alphabet cannot be the topic when no one brought it up.

A5) Strawperson Argument

“Now let us give Eli Soriano the Grammatical Analysis of John 1:1…..The question is does Soriano know Greek Grammatical Analysis?”

Was there a need for this? The contentions are on the pronouncements of Pope Francis. Why did it come to teaching Soriano of Greek Grammatical Analysis? You simply ignored Bro. Eli’s actual position and substituted your distorted, scheming misrepresented version of his position. Will teaching Greek Grammatical Analysis to Soriano show the way if Pope Francis is correct or not?

A6) Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc (After this, therefore this)

“They challenge the Pope since it is impossible for Him to give importance to these things. That is why Soriano does all these impossible things so the debate will not push through.”

Duane Yan, you are indeed egoistic!  What debate are you talking about? You claim to have sent an email asking for a debate? Was there an answer? A letter or an email is said to have been received if there was a reply. And since Bro. Eli found fault in Pope Francis words, does that necessarily lead to a conclusion that debate with you is being avoided, and so the preacher needed to do that? How egoistic can you get!

Well, here’s something you have to know about Soriano: Bro. Eli attends to millions of people everyday aside from doing his own studies as preacher. So he has to divide his time for more important things. Not every email then gets a response.  If there is none, the answer may be no or later.  What is known is that Bro. Eli does not discourse with a lackey like you. What he likes is leader-for-leader since the leader knows best what doctrines his church carries. It is doctrines that are the meat of debates, not Hebrew or Greek language. You claim to be Lay Person, so stay with Lay Persons. The policy is that anyone wanting to debate with Bro. Eli must have authority from his leader.

What is a debate? Merriam Webster defines it as “a contention of words or arguments as a regulated discussion of a proposition between two matched sides.” Two matched sides, it says. At least, Duane should approximate if he has the mettle to deal with Bro. Eli. Knowing Hebrew and Greek does not guarantee that one is competent in reasoning, what more with measuring truth from different angles? You first blog already committed many fallacies. Is this a guarantee that you can handle a debate?

Duane’s second blog was more insulting. It was titled, “A Response to the Response of the Coward Leader of Ang Dating Daan.” Let us check again on his fallacies. The words enclosed in quotation marks are his. Fallacies he committed are set in bold.

B1) Distraction. By this time, Duane or whoever he is, has misled his audience to forget about Pope Francis and his pronouncements.  Or so, it seems. In summary, Bro. Eli found issues in the Pope’s statements about following conscience to believe or not believe in God, and that Jesus is not spirit but man. So now, the focus is on Duane, himself, and his supreme knowledge of Hebrew and Greek. How did it jump from one topic to another? This Lay Person Scripturist inserted himself. What he did was distraction. He had tried to make the people forget about looking for truth – because now he had shifted the topic from Pope Francis’ unbiblical pronouncements (Argument of facts) – one that he could not answer – to a Coward Soriano (Argument of evaluation – personal). In sum, he was running away.

B2) Emotive language

Soriano knows very well that I am a Lay Person. You are aware that I have contacted you last February 2014 via elisoriano.com. What is your purpose to claim that a person wrote this when you know that I was the one who challenged you to prove that the King Version is truthful to the Original Language? Are you just getting the attention of our members to show that you are fighting? You are a liar to show that a priest wrote this article.”

This person sees himself as the center of the world. When you are someone leading millions, you won’t have time to remember every email that comes along the way. The staff handles those emails first and then consults with management about time and priorities and other related concerns.

But this person who staunchly comes forward to do squid tactics looks at himself as the all-important person at the moment. Is what you call “lying” that hard when you cannot even come out with your real identity? That blog, “Splendor” has long been Abraham Arganiosa’s. You just popped up at the moment Pope Francis is being talked about.

The Pope doesn’t need anyone like you to cover for him. Already, you have the gall to call Bro. Eli as coward in all your impertinence and simplistic attitude in looking at scriptures. If you attach yourself to scriptures, you must make sure you do not soil its reputation by showing your brazen self-assurance that you know everything as to cover for the Pope! You could have at least waited for the Monsignors, or the bishops to do it and not you! For sure, they know better to respect people unlike your glory-seeking self.

Bro. Eli was not born yesterday. So many people would like to be associated with Bro. Eli through a debate – win or lose. Just having debated with him is already a feather on their cap. So do not think that Bro. Eli does not practice discernment with these people asking for debates. Your proposal alone as limiting the debate to a Hebrew language with no one understanding what is happening already marks you as a social climber that is hardly one looking for truth. Why should he waste time on you? Your tail is showing; tuck it in, please! Enough of your social-climbing at the expense of Bro. Eli.

ADDRESSING YOUR VIDEO: It now appears that you have forced your way into a Church locale for a hidden agenda. In your email that you said was sent last February 2014 (retrieved just this week), 1) You were asking for a debate; 2) You were asking that you may bring a video.

Since you were not even granted a debate, how come you have a video entering a church locale? What is your motive for doing that? To show that no one wanted to debate with you? Shallow trickster! Only your kind can be tricked into thinking that no one in the world can face a great Duane in a debate! It is easy to fool people, but no matter how many videos you post, a thinking mind will still examine the veracity of those posts.

Anyone wanting to know about truth is welcome in the Church locales of MCGI. Unless you went there for an evil purpose, you are most welcome. You need not present a video to create something that is not true.

B3) Ad Populum Argument

Why will I not be proud of the Pope when he did many good things?”

The blogger is courting the audience to rally behind him, but there is no need for this. It is not an issue that Pope Francis did many good things. No one is fighting that. This is yet another proof that this fellow does not merit the time of Bro. Eli for a debate. It will just be a waste of time. He doesn’t know where to place himself arguing through blogs; what more in a formal discourse?

B4) Either-or Argument

The question is do you really know Hebrew? If you are capable, then come out for an honorable debate.”

By this time, one can sense that this person is really pitiful. It’s either you know Hebrew or you are not honorable. It’s either you know Hebrew or you are a coward. It’s either you know Hebrew or nothing.

Bro. Eli is right in ignoring that email. This fellow has nothing between the ears and will only waste his precious time that can be used for others.

B5) Slippery Slope

You will do everything that is impossible so the debate will not push through.”

Duane, if you had been a student, you may have learned that you cannot force your teacher to pass you; you have to show you merit her passing you. The same with anyone having the stature of Bro. Eli. He can afford to choose who are worth debating with. If there is no challenge and he can see that you are just going to waste his time talking about dictionaries that no one from the audience will understand, then create your own opponent. That proposal of yours is of the devil.

How can you claim that Bro. Eli would even waste time thinking about you and how to dodge you? Look at his debate records. In the space of four years from 1995-1998 for example, he had a record of 4 debates each year. Now, it is becoming less and less especially in foreign lands because these debates on video are all over the Internet. Challengers are withdrawing that there are times the tickets for Bro. Eli and his staff have been bought already and the venue paid for.

Oh, my! Bro. Eli doesn’t even know you exist and there you are, accusing him!

B6) Strawperson Argument

“I will repeat. I am challenging you to an honorable debate to prove that your highly recommended King James Version is truthful to the original language just like you said in the video.”

What Bro. Eli said in the video is not the same and identical as what Pope Francis said that “Jesus is not spirit but man.” That was one of the issues.

You are lost, young man! You can improve your ability to reason by familiarizing yourself with the kinds of fallacies that you have committed here. Improve your reasoning; formulate effective arguments and maybe someday, Bro. Eli can consider you as worthy to waste his time.

The meat of Apologetics work, as in others, should be in searching for truth and not swallowing up a load of unverified cache, and then fool the audience with corrupt evidence. No! There is no high pride that we need to cover up when it comes to truth. What Bro. Eli said about Pope Francis and his pronouncements were not yet answered. Unfortunately, you are not the right person to answer for them, given your performance.

What We Can Learn From the Comments

All is not lost if we can learn something from the load of comments. You don’t see Duane Yan defending what he said nor explaining himself. But you see the members of the Roman Catholic Church actively responding to commentaries or simply throwing stones. Some 90% of the comments were attacks on the person of Bro. Eli. Most were rehash of what the Iglesia ni Cristo would accuse the preacher of. Duane’s “A Response to the Attack of Eli Soriano against Pope Francis” reaped 260 comments as of August 10, 2014. His “Response to the Response of the Coward Leader of Ang Dating Daan” reaped 175 comments as of August 11, 2014.

From the two blogs of Duane aka Lay Person Scripturist, people called Bro. Eli names and threw him accusations not fit to see in print. Some even had usernames that are godly-sounding like “Ang Tunay na Kawan” (The True Sheepfold”) but the language is most foul. Against Catholics, the usual attacks are those that deal with idol worship but are ignored by them or replied to with a counter-attack. Idol worship of Catholics? Answer: Soriano is rapist, extortionist, plunderer, deceiver, scum of the earth. This has been the mantra of the Iglesia ni Cristo and is now in many forms being used by the Catholics against the preacher. That is because Bro. Eli up to now criticizes false beliefs during his Bible Expositions that are aired world-wide almost every week through satellite. Obviously, he cannot stop doing that because people ask him questions and he has to answer. Critiquing false beliefs is part and parcel of the work of a preacher of God. It helps in the propagation of truth.

What is to make of these comments? A Church leader can benefit from reading them. They are a show-window of what can be done. Management-wise, one can readily see how the church that he is leading has formed the persons from what they say. Has the church taught these people anything? If the church they are defending is good and true, how come the language is that filthy?

In the teachings of Bro. Eli, saying fool and shameless is not wrong if the person is really a fool or shameless. It is telling the truth and there is the need to change pointed out. This is not applied, however, by a brother to another.  How about the Catholics? Looking at their comments, much can be said about Catholics: they don’t study their Bibles (“I was born a Catholic; I will die a Catholic”); they have not been taught respect. But happily, from the exchanges, one Catholic member was actively pushing for a debate to resolve issues (“I want to know who is lying; let’s have the debate”).

Here’s a proud Catholic named Alwin Bobis from the University of the Philippines talking – with a misplaced sense of martyrdom.

That’s how to be a Catholic! Non-afraid, courageous and above all, full of wisdom… Go and multiply! We are behind…. ALWAYS! (Posted 7:44 am, 8/8/2014 on Coward Leader).

If Catholics can bite bullets and powder in Nigeria, Egypt, Europe and in all persecuted-Christian land…. Eli Soriano is peanut (sic) in comparison…. For those who truly love Jesus, even martyrdom is a song. (Posted 7:47 am, 8/8/2014 on Coward Leader).

The most appropriate comment that goes along the line of thinking that we espouse comes from a John Cardenas from Systems Technology Institute. There is no pressure seen to defend his religion or his leader. He posted –

According to the Bible, there is a way to find out if the preacher is of God or not.

John 7: 17-18 (KJV)

If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory; but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true and no unrighteousness is in him.

We need to weigh in the Biblical truths here, not the image of the Pope or even Bro. Eli. I am with you that this [sic] debate will be able to tell the people who is telling the truth. (Posted 11: am, 8/8/2014 on Attack Against Pope)

You can be sure John Cardenas learned this thing from Bro. Eli. This verse is frequently repeated during his Bible Expositions in the Q&A portion. It is also often discussed in Church gatherings. “The characteristics of a preacher of God” is one of the most discussed topics of Bro. Eli, either standing on its own or interspersed with other topics.

Authority to Speak

From the side of Bro. Eli, a Joemar San Jose, presumably a deacon, insisted on knowing about “authority to speak.” Who is authorized to speak for RCC? Is Duane authorized to speak for the whole of the RCC? Where can we find that authority spoken of? Where is it written? After a lengthy exchange (about 55 exchanges) with a certain Jay Pee of the RCC, it came out that a Bishop can give authority for his own Diocese – but up to that only. Duane cannot speak with authority for the whole of the RCC.

So what then is the use of jumping to a claim for debate if even his Bishop does not arm Duane with authority? Further, the purpose of a debate is finding out what is true. You would be a fool to debate using dead languages like Greek and Hebrew to find out truth if you can do it in the language of people hearing you.

But why do we use Greek and Hebrew dictionaries? To find out the intended meaning. But that is not all. You must know who is speaking so that you can gauge the meaning more closely.

Just because you know a handful of words in Hebrew or Greek does not give you the upper-hand. There is still God who guides his words and those he had appointed to use them. Therefore, the supremacy is not found in language.

To Be an Apologist

It is good to be an apologist but it depends on your apologetics. Merriam-Webster defines apologetics as “a branch of theology devoted to the defense of divine origin and authority of Christianity.” The term accordingly was first used circa 1733. This gives us an idea that certain truths on Christianity (Read Roman Catholic) have been in place as dogma as early as this period. Because they are dogma, a thinking mind should still check.

Experience reveals that some truths are time-bound. As new truths come in, the old ones found not working should go as wisdom reveals. Therefore, an apologist has to be open-minded and quick to check his facts. One need not swallow dogma – that is clear. The critical part is in having to defend someone you look up to as a leader when he makes a mistake. Did he indeed make one? Your task is to check, at the same time checking your thinking tools as well as your faith. There’s something we have to remember, however: Whoever is given the wisdom, to him we give the honor – to lead us into truth.

Everything an apologist does lies on his faith, but it does not mean blind faith. If you are sure your faith stands on solid ground, then your work is not that hard and there would be no inner conflicts. But if in your mind, the one you have to defend is in error, you are in for a quandary.

Debate on TV All That’s Needed

Duane Yan in “Splendor of the Church,” or whoever he is, said Bro. Eli is jealous and that is why he wrote that blog on the pronouncements of Pope Francis. The Pope really said those pronouncements as covered by media and Vatican documents.

No matter how Catholics pelt stones on Bro. Eli, it won’t change matters. Pope Francis said those words. He even said he believes in God but not in a Catholic God. It is because he has come upon new truths. Should there be things to settle, debate on TV is all we need.

ADDENDUM: There were two other responses that just came in. Abe Arganiosa’s post dated August 12, 2014 will be dealt first.

Every single word of the Catholic Priest Abe Arganiosa is in all capitals beginning with his title: “MAMA ELI SORIANO TOO COWARDLY IN HIS ALIBIS; REFUSES DEBATE CHALLENGES.” Aside from that, he topped it with a photo-shopped photo of Bro. Eli, presenting him as a clown.

For the many years that Abraham Arganiosa had been blogging, he has obviously not learned that any piece of writing one does is to persuade the reader of the truth of what one says. Therefore, there is what is called pathos or feelings of the audience. There is also ethos or the writer’s character as the readers see him as believable or not. More important, there is logos or proofs to confirm factual evidence. From what he had exemplified in his response, he has nothing of these three.

His post is a perfect example of a heart shown inside out. I pity this priest. Beginning with his filthy language, his cursing, and the things that make him laugh with great pleasure, I would not want any of my loved ones to come near this priest. Is this the one that should talk to you about God and his goodness?

Abe Arganiosa, the whole of your post is garbage! You do not even care what readers think of you; neither do you care if you are polluting people’s homes or not. And did you hit the point? You were talking about Bro. Eli shying away from debates and that is way off the mark. Was that the issue? There’s just one thing you need to know, perchance you can still wake up: You stink! That’s the truth of it! Priests as leaders should be examples and you are a poor one!

Just to tell the world that Pope Francis never makes mistakes, you yourself turn into a werewolf and bare your fang? That is what you do actually. It is not an intelligible way to handle arguments. You banner that Bro. Eli refused a debate challenge? When was that? And to whom is he a coward?  As a priest, you have to be careful of your words. Did you banner that just to show that you have done something for Pope Francis?

If Bro. Eli is a coward, why does he have the guts to correct Pope Francis? That alone puts you on the defensive.

Secondly, from your title alone, Abe Arganiosa, you are already lying. You used emotive language to rally your people. If I call you Auntie Abe, fair enough? Auntie Abe, the Photo-shopping Catholic Priest Shouts on the Internet.

Finally, I will spare you your fallacies. You do not appear teachable anyway, and discussing them won’t help. Just be ethical on the internet. Do not post on all capitals because that means shouting. Then, how come you do not know that photoshopping, or specifically placing one’s head on someone’s body, is unethical and even criminal? You just did it to Bro. Eli and his people may complain.

Aloysius Kayiwa

Next came the August 12, 2014 post of Aloysius Kayiwa titled, REFUTING ELI SORIANO & HIS FELLOW FALSE PROPHETS ON THE DIVINITY OF CHRIST. This is part of the responses to Bro. Eli Soriano in Splendor of the Church blog of the Roman Catholic Church that for a long time has been Arganiosa’s turf.  The blog is now tagged as Catholic Apologetics.

Kayiwa is not a Filipino. He is a Ugandan, a former Pentecostal, and a correspondent of Splendor in Africa. He posted a very thick discourse but the thickness is deceiving. He dwelt on many topics that Bro. Eli did not mention. Written at the top is the following:

“Going back at the school of the Fathers: St. Athanasius battle; nicea and the defence of the apostolic faith – the figure of athanasIus at the centre of the fight against the arian heresy. A fundamental question for Chistian experience, yesterday as today. Deepening awareness of the trinity and refuting the false teachers Eli Soriano and Iglesia ni Manalo.”

Mr. Kayiwa, if you are an apologist, you must know what to do. Process this thick thing in order to respond properly to the issues set forth by Bro. Eli Soriano. Bulk cannot daunt nor fool those with thinking minds. They will still examine what you are saying despite your much padding. If you were my student, I would ask you to re-write, cut off the first nine pages, and begin on Page 10. That is where you began to talk about Bro. Eli.

Remove extraneous material and do not force Catholic materials which have no credibility to others because they are not scriptures. For example, what does Bro. Eli care about your St. Athanasius, his battle and Nicea? Are they in the Bible? The Iglesia ni Manalo is also not included here. That surely is not the way to argue. Go simple and attack the issues presented and that is the pronouncements of the Pope.

Like the others, you mention many things that are only true to you. I will just show you some of what you said:

In his first line, Soriano says that: “Now, if the son is equal to the Father and the Father is a spirit, it follows that the Son must also be a spirit!” This is a bogus statement confusing the nature of God and cancelling out Soriano. Notice how he confuses the Spirit to be the Father and the Son and not Himself. Soriano does not know what “equal” means and he confuses the nature of the one God and through misapplying and torturing Scriptures to support his erroneous views.

If Jesus is also a Spirit like His Father as Soriano says, why does the Spirit come on him during Baptism by John the Baptist?

Resolution for this is a televised debate. When you go, try to repeat these lines you wrote and let us see if you can win. I am not an expert on these things but I have already learned something from Bro. Eli that is not in you. You suffer from the negative effect of drinking from loads of lies. Just from believing all those so-called saints and making them your gods already deceive your minds. Your thinking is veiled whereas God’s truth is simple – for those who are not idol worshippers.

Another one –

So Soriano gets it wrong in confusing the Spirit as being the Father and the Son. The Spirit is God himself – God the Holy Spirit.  When the Church asks us to bow our heads on hearing the words of John; ‘The Word became fresh [sic] and dwelt among us,’ She is calling us to pray homage to the goodness of God Who loves man so much as to become, Himself, the Messiah He had promised to the Hebrews – the Messiah who would be at one and same time, God and man.

This falls under the same thinking, the same error. Try to mention this again in the debate so that you can see why you are not correct. But this one below is what you really have to prove. Let us see who among you and Bro. Eli is the “charlatan pretending to be wise.” Prove yourself! Before you spread your heresies from Uganda to the Philippines, stand up and be measured!

This is your statement –

Enter in Soriano – a charlatan pretending to be wise

It is dishearting [sic] that although the Church Fathers sacrificed their lives to defend the fundamental Christian Faith against heretics, new false teachers, which the Scriptures warn us about, are coming up with wrong teachings. One of them is Eli Soriano, the founder of Ang Dating Daan cult aka Church of God International in the Philippines. Soriano has no shame in torturing, misapplying Scriptures and fooling people. In one of his latest articles in his blog, he accuses Pope Francis of calling Jesus a man by arguing with cynical statements that Jesus is a Spirit because God the Father is Spirit quoting John 4:24 which forces him to argue that –

“Now, if the son is equal to the Father and the Father is a spirit, it follows that the Son must also be a spirit!”

In reality, Soriano does not know what he is arguing against.

A ‘straw man’ argument defines a person’s point of view inaccurately, and then attacks the misrepresentation…

Aloysius Kayiwa, what you are accusing Bro. Eli of, is actually what you are doing! Your claims are based on a cache of your saints and relics. Those are not found in the Bible! If you agree to a debate, that “charlatan pretending to be wise” can be uncovered. I guarantee, that is you!

But have we forgotten what Bro. Eli was saying about Pope Francis? No! When you began your arguments with a human being (St. Athanasius) rather than God, you were building on shaky ground. Your understanding then is veiled.

Indeed, some people are not searching for truth nor are thinking anymore. Some prefer to drink from a cache of lies passed on from their forebears. But if you read the latest pronouncements of the Pope, they show that even he has not stopped thinking and is for changes. In the Pope’s interview with Eugenio Scalfari, La Repubblica’s founder (www.repubblica.it, 2013/10/01), the Pope was talking about how the Roman Catholic Church should change. In his exact words, he said there is “The leprosy of the papacy.” The Pope was using a metaphor, of course, but he is in effect saying that not everything is all right with the Roman Catholic Church.